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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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For Attela, having a KOS order will affect her ability to RP with the Temple. Turning it off won't effect anything too drastic as far as I can tell.

For Isleh, having a KOS order affects her ability to be within the vicinity of the MERCS and their allies. Turning it off would lessen the impact of the story and immersion.


Attela turned over evidance to Nyvveck indicating that every member has taken action that would make them traitors to the Empire. This situation is actually reversed and will impact Nyvveck's and Temple's relationship beyond this arc I beleive.


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We're a small community, and if I were to gun someone down every chance I saw them, I'll bet that their fun in this game would be ruined real fast.


Our initial reaction was going after Giza given the relationship of Giza to Iafeu and Iafeu to Nyvveck concerning this.

Xyryn did run into Attela and had a chance to exercise the KOS. It's my understanding that she choose not to. Instead, they RPed a little with Xyryn giving her a warning and letting her know that members of Temple had orders to kill her.

Attela does have the option to participate in this arc with the same methods that I'm using.

If there is an OOC event and Attela shows up; I'm not going to leave. I'm not going to avoid her. If she wants to talk to me about the KOS, that's fine. If she doesn't want to talk about the KOS, that's fine. If she asks for help in Noct chat, I'll try to give the best answer I know.

Was I angry? Hell yes. What happened has deeply affected a long term goal for the guild (How? by taking away the guilds ability to decide on certain things). The information turned over was the building blocks that were to have an effect on Temple and it members very much like a member of MERCS being given mandalorian armor.

Iafeu offered to forget this. The problem was that Nyvveck already had the information and acted upon it so her forgetting it wouldn't have an effect.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nisoa, you forgot Thyngmoot, still held by the Welsh. The origin there is Old Norse...related to Old Germanic. In the case under discussion, moot point, wherein "moot" is an adjective describing "point", the definition I gave is the accepted modern usage.

And yes, I do use "moot" in both modern and archaic forms. It depends on the person with whom, and in which context, I am speaking.
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The Official KOS Order was forced by a situation in which all parties involved were afraid that we would have to commit a breach of community roleplay protocol...to wit, a death from which Attela could not roleplay a recovery.

Having your brains splattered all over a wall does not equate to "badly injured."

I do not apologize for issuing the order. I do expect the community to come up with a better solution than the one I was forced into...without so much angst. You have time to consider what should have been done. I had none.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KOS seems to be just an extension of the RP bounty system. They are practically identical even down to motivation. The only differance really is KOS is without compensation.

Please also read the excerpt from the "RP bounty system" below about suprise attacks.

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The element of surprise

This is probably one of your best tools. Pouncing on your mark when they're completely buffed up and ready to battle isn't the best of ideas. The best thing to do would be to follow your mark as discreetly as possible until they're in a non combat state, such as relaxing in a cantina. Better yet, wait until they're fighting something else, and then jump into the fray to finish them off.

Here's an example from my own personal experience. I was hunting a certain Jedi, and I found that he was Krayt hunting. Being that he's out hunting Krayt dragons, he's going to be buffed out the arse. Unfortunately, I didn't consider that fact. Nor did I wait until he was actually engaged with a Krayt before attacking him. Nooooo.... I had to run in all macho and go one on one. Needless to say, it didn't work well.

Don't do what I did.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Iafeu offered to forget this. The problem was that Nyvveck already had the information and acted upon it so her forgetting it wouldn't have an effect.


At the time I offered to forget it which was the night you grabbed giza, Nyvveck did NOT have the information.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 5:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, Iafeu, Nyvveck did have that particular information. He interrogated the kiva in his official capacity prior to us looking for you. The questions he asked pinpointed who the betrayer was. He had no way of knowing that it would, but such is war.

How do you think we knew to look for Attela and you that day? How do you think we knew that you had the information. For just that once, Attela did not tell us anything.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Sorry, Iafeu, Nyvveck did have that particular information. He interrogated the kiva in his official capacity prior to us looking for you. The questions he asked pinpointed who the betrayer was. He had no way of knowing that it would, but such is war.

How do you think we knew to look for Attela and you that day? How do you think we knew that you had the information. For just that once, Attela did not tell us anything.


Exactly. The raid was in response to Nyvveck's interrogation of the Kiva. What we didn't know is what exactly Nyvveck knew (he's sneaky like that) so I wanted to capture you and see what you knew to see exactly what we could lie and not lie about.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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xyryn wrote:
Sorry, Iafeu, Nyvveck did have that particular information. He interrogated the kiva in his official capacity prior to us looking for you. The questions he asked pinpointed who the betrayer was. He had no way of knowing that it would, but such is war.

How do you think we knew to look for Attela and you that day? How do you think we knew that you had the information. For just that once, Attela did not tell us anything.


Exactly. The raid was in response to Nyvveck's interrogation of the Kiva. What we didn't know is what exactly Nyvveck knew (he's sneaky like that) so I wanted to capture you and see what you knew to see exactly what we could lie and not lie about.


I thought the Kiva was interrogated after the raid was supposed to take place. :/
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Which interrogation was this? The "friendly little chat" interrogation, or the "torture" interrogation?

The first time I questioned the Kiva, I didn't have the information. I called her back and used some more forceful means of questioning upon gaining this information.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I could have sworn I didnt send it to him until after the raid but so much has happened recently that its entierly possibly that I am just mixed up.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iafeu wrote:
I could have sworn I didnt send it to him until after the raid but so much has happened recently that its entierly possibly that I am just mixed up.


Salocin wrote:
Which interrogation was this? The "friendly little chat" interrogation, or the "torture" interrogation?

The first time I questioned the Kiva, I didn't have the information. I called her back and used some more forceful means of questioning upon gaining this information.


confused

And I could have sworn that I was told the Kiva was questioned about it ...

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that what might have caused some confusion is this. Before Nyvveck recieved the information from what Attela gave Iafeu, he knew there was a monestary. He did not know where, or why it was there, but he knew Temple was at least looking into creating a secret monestary. How? I am not entirely sure, but I believe Giza told Iafeu who told Nyvveck.
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Salocin wrote:
I think that what might have caused some confusion is this. Before Nyvveck recieved the information from what Attela gave Iafeu, he knew there was a monestary. He did not know where, or why it was there, but he knew Temple was at least looking into creating a secret monestary. How? I am not entirely sure, but I believe Giza told Iafeu who told Nyvveck.


Giza told me that they were going to build a new "secret" monestary so they could worship without worrying about merc issues.

Iafeu being the paranoid person she is didnt take long for her to make the conection that it MIGHT be used for rebel activity.

She passed this info on to Nyvveck.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isleh wrote:
Iafeu wrote:
I could have sworn I didnt send it to him until after the raid but so much has happened recently that its entierly possibly that I am just mixed up.


Salocin wrote:
Which interrogation was this? The "friendly little chat" interrogation, or the "torture" interrogation?

The first time I questioned the Kiva, I didn't have the information. I called her back and used some more forceful means of questioning upon gaining this information.


confused

And I could have sworn that I was told the Kiva was questioned about it ...

*sigh*

12:15am... At least I got mt stuffing recipie posted for everyone...


So much goes on that things run together and its hard to keep track of a timeline inwhich events happen. confused
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To me, the amazing thing is that this has caused such a ruckus. I never needed any KOS order to let Attela know OOC that she was KOS as far as Spyte is concerned (this was before the 'official' KOS order was handed down and in response to tells from Attela.) I have no doubt that most of us are adults or near enough here.

Spyte and every member of Temple who so chooses has plenty of reason to kill Attela, order or no. To me - the order is meaningless - it was simply reaffirming the state she was already in for Spyte.

Attela went out of her way to RP a betrayal, none in Temple said 'hey - how about forcing some rp I don't want to deal with on me?' Attela has chosen to rp one of the worst things you can choose to do in a time of war and I, for one, am not going to just let it slide.

I'm not called Spyte for nothing.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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To me, the amazing thing is that this has caused such a ruckus. I never needed any KOS order to let Attela know OOC that she was KOS as far as Spyte is concerned (this was before the 'official' KOS order was handed down and in response to tells from Attela.) I have no doubt that most of us are adults or near enough here.

Spyte and every member of Temple who so chooses has plenty of reason to kill Attela, order or no. To me - the order is meaningless - it was simply reaffirming the state she was already in for Spyte.

Attela went out of her way to RP a betrayal, none in Temple said 'hey - how about forcing some rp I don't want to deal with on me?' Attela has chosen to rp one of the worst things you can choose to do in a time of war and I, for one, am not going to just let it slide.

I'm not called Spyte for nothing.


Im just going to let you know now that if you dont respect the end of the KOS order when it comes around and continue to constantly gank her and attack her, I will withdraw RD from the war ring. I wont support griefing,.
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