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PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 9:03 pm    Post subject: Guild War - Target ID Reply with quote

Ok, so lets go over the basics on IDing a target.

How do you know who is who?

Ask them, the names floating above your head aren't really there. SO using this to idea a foe is not legit. Of course walking up to a possible hostile person could be bad as well. So how else could you ID them?

BIO-SIG
Bio-Sig, used by Bounty Hunters to ID and track your target. This can be an easy way of deciding if you will spot your target or not. But be realistic, your a Master Chef, chances are your not hanging out with the crowd that hands out Bio Sigs, and chances are your not skilled in the ways of tracking. If the person has a Bounty on them, the chances are good they have a bio-sig available, not matter how good you cover your tracks, this can be picked up from the smallest thing.

Clothing and Armor
Although hooded cloaks cover some detail, dont assume those around you are unable to pick up certain features in order to tell who you are, cloaks cannot be considered a way to hide your indentity completely.

Armor, helms hide your face, and can be set to mask your voice. If you are wearing standard armor, such as composite, you have a good chance of going Identified. BUT, things like Mando and other specialtiy armors will attract attention and people will look you over more closely. Also people that mix armor for a different look, realize that you could be recognized by that as well, even tho your identity is hidden. So and so always wears pink comp armor. (this opens the doors for framing people i.e. I dress in pink comp armor and the guy that normally wears that is framed for whatever baddness I did.

Faction armor, although your appearence is hidden, you are at risk of attack just because you are either rebel or imperial. If you are wearing faction armor, then assume your chances for attack have grown. I might be Identified easier running Imperial operations in Noc more so then say someone just running with me on patrols in Noc. Outside of Nocturnus I would assume that most people wouldn't be able to easy ID me in full Scout Trooper armor.

Previous RP interaction
If you have had contact with a person or persons from a warring guild, then assume that they will be able to describe your identity to others. This gets a little touchy tho, so just be fair about it. Someone descibed to you may still be hard to pick out standing is a crowd with a hooded cloak. Also if you have had previous RP with the person yourself, chances are you will be able to ID them again, unless of course one of the previously mentioned are in place. (i.e. They are now wearing a helm and their identity is hidden.)

Current RP Interaction
Best way to describe this is by example with me and Hashum. We requested his ID, he failed to produce it. I sent an image to the orbiting command ISD. It positivly IDed him as who he was. I ordered his arrest (give Hash first strike) and there ya go. I will now be able to ID Hash. Hash will be able to ID me as Commander of Noc Imperial Forces. With his contacts in noc, I am sure he will be able to further ID me. Specially seeing as an Imperial Officier who tried to claim a Bounty on him.

The Force
My thoughts only betray the fact I think that dancer looks hot on stage. But its possible for jedi to ID each other, specially ones that have spent time together. (ie Vader - Obi Wan Ep IV). If you have never had contact with the person tho, I (and I am speaking as a non jedi rper) that you could only sense they force in them and possible if they are dark or light? (Feel free to comment on this if I am off)

Species I would imagine their are all sorts of traits different species possess. Could a Wookiee ID by scent? This just has to be chalked up to you doing the research on your selected species and making sure that its a real skill that you could possible have.

Disguise and Changing Appearnce
Make sure you pay attention to how people look and are dressed, perhaps they had their look altered to hid their Identity. Or they are wearing a disguise now to do the same.


Putting the stress on the RP and not the PvP will make all this work. You may get incapped, you may incap someone else. But its not as important as making the story work and having fun.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Should add, this is mostly from what I picked up on in everyones posts, please feel free to post suggestions changes or whatever.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 4:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This all sounds good to me. With hooded cloaks no longer being safe masks for people, I suggest every Jedi considers picking up a set of cheap composite, ubese, etc...for those times they need some anonimity.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 5:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My only issue with all that is the Bio-Sig. Makes it too easy. Some people would put a good RP reason behind it and other will just use it as an easy shortcut to actually putting in the effort to find out IC who someone is.

"I saw him holding a glass in the cantina, I took the glass, so now i know his name is Shensen and have droids tracking him 24/7"

Maybe its just me, lol.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Serek Vandal wrote:
My only issue with all that is the Bio-Sig. Makes it too easy. Some people would put a good RP reason behind it and other will just use it as an easy shortcut to actually putting in the effort to find out IC who someone is.

"I saw him holding a glass in the cantina, I took the glass, so now i know his name is Shensen and have droids tracking him 24/7"

Maybe its just me, lol.


Well again we are gonna have to count on people to come up with realistic ways of getting this info, doesn't mean everyone will, but we can atleast stress it.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Serek Vandal wrote:
My only issue with all that is the Bio-Sig. Makes it too easy. Some people would put a good RP reason behind it and other will just use it as an easy shortcut to actually putting in the effort to find out IC who someone is.

"I saw him holding a glass in the cantina, I took the glass, so now i know his name is Shensen and have droids tracking him 24/7"

Maybe its just me, lol.


Well again we are gonna have to count on people to come up with realistic ways of getting this info, doesn't mean everyone will, but we can atleast stress it.



Well the example Serek added was realistic from a Bounty Hunter point of view. Not the bounty hunter would be the one picking up the glass, but maybe spies all over the galaxy have done such thing and the bounty hunter only pays for their services.

I think i saw somewhere that there was a group of spies wanting to work with the bounty hunters. Maybe this will be a great thing to work out.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Dew wrote:
Serek Vandal wrote:
My only issue with all that is the Bio-Sig. Makes it too easy. Some people would put a good RP reason behind it and other will just use it as an easy shortcut to actually putting in the effort to find out IC who someone is.

"I saw him holding a glass in the cantina, I took the glass, so now i know his name is Shensen and have droids tracking him 24/7"

Maybe its just me, lol.


Well again we are gonna have to count on people to come up with realistic ways of getting this info, doesn't mean everyone will, but we can atleast stress it.


Only problem with that is how does the bounty hunter/spy know it is the target to pick up their glass? Or are you suggesting there are spies in cantinas everywhere just waiting to steal everyone's glasses when they are done with their drinks so they can sort them out later? I would imagine the bartenders wouldn't like that very much smile


Well the example Serek added was realistic from a Bounty Hunter point of view. Not the bounty hunter would be the one picking up the glass, but maybe spies all over the galaxy have done such thing and the bounty hunter only pays for their services.

I think i saw somewhere that there was a group of spies wanting to work with the bounty hunters. Maybe this will be a great thing to work out.

Cheers.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the topic of Bounty Hunters, I think that if a bounty is placed on someone that there is good chance that the person or group has had enough contact with the target to obtain the information needed for a BIO-SIG.

You will not be putting a Bounty on a a person you do not know. Chances are you have had contact with that person, either by conflict, working together and having a falling out, or some other means.

If you do not know the identity or have never seen the person before I think that would be something different than a Bounty. First you will have to investigate who it is before you go placing a bounty.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bounty Hunters know who they're going after, and generally have an idea of how to find them. Investigators go after people they don't know based on clues given to them. A good example would be the bounty placed by Isleh on Serek. No one really knows who he is (facial recognition may come into play there unless he was wearing a helmet), so there would have to be an investigation before a bounty hunter could go after him.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Griven wrote:
Bounty Hunters know who they're going after, and generally have an idea of how to find them. Investigators go after people they don't know based on clues given to them. A good example would be the bounty placed by Isleh on Serek. No one really knows who he is (facial recognition may come into play there unless he was wearing a helmet), so there would have to be an investigation before a bounty hunter could go after him.



yup, so the Bounty Hunter wouldn't be involved till the investigation was complete, then if so desired a Bounty could be placed.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So basically i have to hire a spy to do the job beore asking a bounty hunter to do his??

For example i need to find someone whos name i know but unfortunately i have nothing that could give a positivi bio sig on him. Now what i always thought was that the Bounty hunters had enough contacts to find people in the galaxy, so if a bounty hunter does ... why would i bother to hire a spy.

I dont know normally i always thought about the spy/bounty hunter profession to be almost together and develop at the same time due to their need to work together.

However its just a thought.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just on the topic of Spy vs. BH here...


To me a Spy is an immediate informant in this case. An example... the trunk-nose Elephant Man looking guy who tells the Stormtroopers that, yeap, the guys their looking for with the droids are 'that way'!


The BH is Boba Fett that has to track'em and catch'em 'after' the Spy part didn't turn out so well.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tsarg wrote:
So basically i have to hire a spy to do the job beore asking a bounty hunter to do his??

For example i need to find someone whos name i know but unfortunately i have nothing that could give a positivi bio sig on him. Now what i always thought was that the Bounty hunters had enough contacts to find people in the galaxy, so if a bounty hunter does ... why would i bother to hire a spy.

I dont know normally i always thought about the spy/bounty hunter profession to be almost together and develop at the same time due to their need to work together.

However its just a thought.

Cheers.


Yes Bounty Hunters have contacts to find people in the galaxy, but they need to know who they are after. We are not investigators, you give us a target, we go after them, maybe you have a name and not a bio sig, maybe you have a fuzzy security camera image as well? But if you dont know who your putting the bounty on then how would the hunter know who to target?

I dont see the connection between spy and bounty hunter myself. They go about their business compeltly different and the reason for their business is usually different as well.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dew wrote:
They go about their business compeltly different and the reason for their business is usually different as well.


They go about their business differently I can agree with. But I think they are both in it for the credits.

Only exception would be perhaps factional spies who do it for a higher purpose, at least in their minds.
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Dew wrote:
They go about their business compeltly different and the reason for their business is usually different as well.


They go about their business differently I can agree with. But I think they are both in it for the credits.

Only exception would be perhaps factional spies who do it for a higher purpose, at least in their minds.



I guess I think of most spies as factional, and most are going for information and such activities. An assasin might be more like a Bounty Hunter, but my idea of spy guess doesn't fit with Bounty Hunter much.
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