Guild War - Attack on Sight

Salocin · Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 9:08 pm Post subject:

I was just reading through this post and it raised a few concerns for me.

1) DB in RP combat. I don't like this myself, not because of any bad things coming from the DB, but because it takes that character out of the RP. As Isleh said earlier in the post, PvP can start off an RP event, and after the battle is over RP can begin. For example, let's say there are a group of Imperials and Rebels fighting. The Rebels win the battle, the Imperials are all lying on the ground, injured. The Rebels decide to take the Imperial Commander as a hostage. If he were DB'd that wouldn't be an option. In my ideal world, after you got incapped you would go prone to show you are not involved until after the combat is over, injured. I understand targetting is an issue here, so I guess I might have to settle for the DB.

And personally, I find it very stupid to return to an event if you've been killed. If I lose a fight at an event and am dead, I'm done with RP for the night, which is not a lot of fun.

2) The attack on sight aspect raises a few problems. Let's say I, a fairly well known Imperial, am attacked by a person whom I did not know was a rebel. I now know that person is a rebel. I can never interact with that person IC again, other than attacking them. I know that there's people wearing helmets and such and say that their impossible to ID. However, you can ID someone in a lot of other ways than just looks...if I were to hear the voice again, for example.

These are a few problems I've had to deal with for awhile...if people notice, Nyvveck has a very short memory. This is because I'd like to interact with people that at one point or another attacked me (which pretty much covers everyone except a few Imperials). I don't like having to RP with a short memory, but I have to if I want to do things in RP other than arresting people and/or killing them.
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Tsarg · Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 9:20 pm Post subject:

Sai'nu · Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 9:39 pm Post subject:

I do agree with Nyvveck on the short term memory thing.

Probably the biggest problem we could face with RPvP is this:

Once we enter into the AoS part of it... it has pretty well taken us into an area where, in character, we're situated into locked PvP with little, or no, real RP involved.

So far I think Nyvveck has practiced this aspect of this kind of RP the best by simply 'forgetting' certain things as the situation requires for him to be able to interact with whomever he's fought with before.

This may be a 'golden' idea to follow. I've been doing this with Shensen a few times. To me, it works. For others it can feel like the above instance where they feel it has crossed into locked PvP.

Open Rebels should fight Open Imperials though. It was like that in the movies when both sides were flying their colors.

Dark Jedi fought Light Jedi. Circumstances depended on how much dialouge there actually was between them.
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Vandal · Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 9:39 pm Post subject:

All good points. Here's my two cents.

As far as what you were saying Dew, thats true in a sense. However, if someone knows your Imperial, whats to stop them from attacking you?

Nyvveck makes a good point, but I'm not sure how that ties into attacking on sight. Maybe I'm missing the point, lol. Technically its no different then if he RP'd before the fight. If I come to you throw my drink on you and call you a filthy Imperial Dog, then beat you, the result is the same, even though I RP'd into the fight. Its a matter of deciding if the fight is worth the repercussions, at least thats what I see.

The DB in PvP issue is always talked about, and its one of the few things I have a very strong opinion about. I think Incaps and Db's should be used, depending on the situations. Here's how I interput it...

- Incap = You are beaten, with minor/moderate wounds. You can continue Rp, but should not rejoin a current battle, although you might fight in a later battle. You stay at the location, and can be captured, or simply left alone. (Its like losing a fistfight, you can still move and interact, just won't feel up to another fight for a bit.)

Example: I tried to negotiate with Shen. We started fighting and I Incapped him. So I won the fight, but he wasn't "Dead". After the fight we continued our Rp negotiations, and even fought again later that night.

- Death Blow = You are beaten with Heavy wounds. You barley escape the battle with your life, and must find a safe place to heal. You can still Rp, but your Rp should include the fact that your severely injured.

Example: Later that night Shensen DB'd me, so I was too wounded to fight in any capacity, though I Rp'd that while heavily wounded I was still able to travel and interact.

*Note* Many players who get DB'd roleplay some kind of grevious wound to add to the effect of almost dying. Sharn lost her sight, Hashum lost his hand, Serek got the "Street Fighter Sagat" style scar across his chest.

Salocin · Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 9:43 pm Post subject:

Sai'nu · Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 9:45 pm Post subject:

Short Term Memory = Our Rinse, Recycle, Repeat... Reset Button. sly wink

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Salocin · Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 9:48 pm Post subject:

Dew · Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 9:53 pm Post subject:

Salocin · Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 10:02 pm Post subject:

Why do I "forget" things? Because the vast majority of the community play rebels/pirates. Not lawful types, certainly. Back in the day, I could mill about with about 4 members of TTF (the "Imperial Guild", even if we only had 4 members that were true Imperials). I don't even have that anymore. Anyone with RD is borderline traitors, as they work for Jedi. Very few people in this game play straight Imperials...they always want to be the new "Darth" or the new Emperor.

If I didn't hang out with the people in the cantina, then I would not be able to RP at all. And I like RP. So I bend the rules a little bit.
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Tsarg · Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 10:02 pm Post subject:

I am good with sereks point of view. We cannot roleplay that a DB really means that person is dead, for that cases where you really want to kill someone you should have the other person agree to it. I dont know, there might be a time when i would like to retire my character but just erasing him like that is not a good option .... so i just speak to one of my friends who happens to be an imperial stormtrooper and simply tell him i want you to kill my character for the sakes of my char's story.

Anyways thats just how i see it. Otherwise you will be seeing ghosts everywhere.

Regarding luke and han in the stormtrooper armor /shrug i can hear chewbacca growling too, but i know hes not the one speaking is he??

Cheers.
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Vandal · Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 10:08 pm Post subject:

Dew · Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 10:10 pm Post subject:

Cymrych · Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 10:41 pm Post subject:

Dew · Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 10:46 pm Post subject: