Guild War - Attack on Sight

Dew · Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 4:58 am Post subject: Guild War - Attack on Sight

Ok so lets get this straight for everyone. If you see something I got wrong reply and I will correct it in this post.

When it is ok to attack on sight.

Rebel and Imperial Armor. Imperial armor is well, imperial armor, this goes for the officer uniforms. YOu are announcing your faction, be prepared to defend that.

Rebel armor has (I believe) a rebel emblem on each version. Consider that same as dressing up in stormie armor. If you are visible in this armor prepare to be attacked by imperial troops if they see you.

Bounty Hunters, if you have a mark on you listed in the (soon to be) Bounty forum, be prepared to be attacked at any time.

Clothing other than any listed above should be considered as normal everyday citizens. Including Jedi robes, if your a Imperial and you have been ordered to detain any jedi, you can''t start shooting everyone in a robe.

Lightsabers, you walk around showing off your glowstick on or off, chances are you will be labeled a jedi, and get unwanted attention. Perhaps certain situations it would be better to have the lightsaber tucked under that moisture farmer robe wink

Of course walking into any establishment with a weapon drawn might get everyone nervous and reaching for their sidearms, having a weapon equipped could also be considered a statement that your intentions could be aggresive.

Imperial, Neutral and Rebel wanted lists. We have started a Rebel wanted list, and that person stated how other factions will react to them. As we get deepr in faction play I think a Imperial list would work as well, persons that the rebels would recognize as important figures in the imperial chain of command and that would also drawn interest if seen by a group of rebel troopers. Same goes for neutrals, depending on who the tend to align themselves with.
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Shensenn · Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 8:29 am Post subject:

Looks like a winner to me.
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xyryn · Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 4:47 pm Post subject:

Agree...this is a winner. It would be grand to have pictures of the easily recognized, since many of us are now walking around with names turned off.

I still have not met some of our players.
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Hashum · Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 4:56 pm Post subject:

looks great Dew.

Jehwu · Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 8:34 am Post subject:

One problem with the walk around with out a lightsaber. Happend to me tonight. Was RP'ing and got jumped by a pvp bounty hunter wiht no saber in my hand, I was at a real dissadvantage. Needless to say I lost. I think the bounty was placed because of a guild war kill we made earlier. So it is definately something to watch out for.

Isleh · Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 8:59 am Post subject:

Isleh · Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 9:44 am Post subject:

Meh...

The more I deal with this, the more i think it simply doesn't work.

You can't catch someone alone in a different part of the city or when they lag behind. Why? because the first thing someone does is scream on Vent, "Help, I'm being attacked" and everyone on the other side of the city, planet, hell, even on different planets comes running.

Just like the Acadamy. When Shen put out the call for help, how many of RD was actually on Dantooine at the time? Let me ask this question. Did any of RD clone to the nearest OP for the quick trip and heal at the med droid when Shen called for help?

Isleh · Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 9:55 am Post subject:

There was talk of an Ambush and being able to carry one out with a guildwar? Well... I just tried that. So much for that.

A smaller force being able to pick off a larger one peicemeal? It does not happen. It never happened with MERCS and Temple. It didn't happen tonight.

What this means is that the side that is outnumbered will always loose.

Jehwu · Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 10:11 am Post subject:

Jehwu · Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 10:18 am Post subject:

Isleh · Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 11:14 am Post subject:

Griven · Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 11:18 am Post subject:

I wasn't there, but let's just put that behind us and chalk it up as a learning situation. The last thing we need is more forum drama just like back in Tales.

It's great that it's being discussed (that's what we're here for), but it doesn't need to get out of hand. Not to say that is is already, but that seems to be where it's headed.

So let's cool down, and move on.
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Jehwu · Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 11:21 am Post subject:

WTH are you talking about? confused

You never even RP'd anything with me ever. So now you want to RP ok we can do that. Lets say you shot an unarmed Un-idenitifed old man in the BACK!! For no better reason than you saw him standing around while a bounty hunter walked away with some one. Great RP there.

So please tell me again what your reason for attacking me?
For clarity sake?

Iago · Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 11:25 am Post subject:

After tonight's/Sunday night's issues, I have some thoughts:

Attack on sight: This system isn't perfect. If everything except faction armor is considered ''normal clothing'' there is no rule for RIS armor, Mando armor, dancer leotards, flightsuits...etc. Every article of clothing should be considered exactly as they appear. Mando armor should denote that the wearer must be a commando or Bh. Someone carrying a mystical ribbon should be noted as an entertainer. If it's obvious which class/faction they are based on their clothing, then use it. Jedi robes are the only exception, because of the limitation forced on Jedi by SOE and our community's decision to make Jedi a wanted entity in the galaxy. (Yes, we are choosing to play that way, because we could choose to actively ignore that aspect of RP, if we wanted to).

If we say attack on sight is unreasonable in most cases, we're saying that we might as well be using a /duel and accept system. If we want to promote RP, we should stick to the duels so the RP has to happen first.

Attack on sight mistakes: If a mistake is made and you are shot while your attacker believes you are doing something you're not or that you are someone that you aren't...guess what? That is a mistake. RP it as a mistake. Mistakes happen in reality.

If Iago is mistaken for Neillo, Iago will respond with ''HEY, I'm a musician. Stop shooting me!!!" as he runs away. If you're mistaken for a Jedi, you should probably shout that you're not one. If someone confuses what you're doing with harming one of their friends, do something about it. Shoot back. Run away. RP it.

In the end, the options are: go to a /duel system so there are no mistakes (no realism) or adapt the attack on sight rules to allow for mistakes to happen.

Additionally, I don't believe we have any rulings about when to DB and when not to. We know that death has no real penalty, now, but it still needs to be discussed, because many players are insulted and hurt when they are DBed, based on past experience and principle. If there are rules, I haven't read them. Once stated clearly, there won't be arguments about it.

Personal note: I still don't think we're ready to implement a guildwar system. We have bugs to iron out before any more feelings get hurt.
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Isleh · Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 12:27 pm Post subject: