Dew
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Guild CommunicationI know our guilds are slim right now, but I was wondering, does a rep/leader of each guild have access to other guild forums? I know I know, I could figure this out myself, but not only am I RP lazy I am forum lazy too 
Anyways, I think its important that guilds see what other guilds are talking about and there is open communcation, what do you think? Is anyone against this? If not, send me a request, if you are a leader of a guild, and RPer and need access to other forums. As a courtesy, I will request with the leader of each guild, who wants access, and allow them the chance to give reason why they should not have access.
Be warned tho, it will have to be one heck of a reason....
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Rinna
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Re: Guild Communication | Dew wrote: | I know our guilds are slim right now, but I was wondering, does a rep/leader of each guild have access to other guild forums? I know I know, I could figure this out myself, but not only am I RP lazy I am forum lazy too
Anyways, I think its important that guilds see what other guilds are talking about and there is open communcation, what do you think? Is anyone against this? If not, send me a request, if you are a leader of a guild, and RPer and need access to other forums. As a courtesy, I will request with the leader of each guild, who wants access, and allow them the chance to give reason why they should not have access.
Be warned tho, it will have to be one heck of a reason.... |
As a co-leader of KRETL and also AVANT, I used to have access to the NRC and TEMPL forums. I used to have access to the AR forum when I had a character in that guild. I no longer have access to any of those forums. I don't have an issue with other guild leaders being able to read what is in the Kreetles' forum - but be warned, discussing which songs go with which dances and what costumes we should wear....isn't very exciting to witness. 
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Dew
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No, I expect most conversations within guild forums to be un-interesting for outsiders, but I saw a concern about a bit of RP where rebels didn't want to use Imperial players, because the Imperial beat them down last time. I explained that had they requested a win, the Imperial would comply for their story, all the needed to do was ask.
Things like that would help breed more communication, and more guild-to-guild rp. Least in my thoughts.
I honestly dont see or believe anything in any of the guild forums is so secretive that it needs to be hidden away from a couple outside reps, most of the juciy stuff goes on in PMs I am sure.
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xyryn
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Salocin
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I've got no problem with anyone having access to the VSD forums. Nothing's gone on in there for months.
Might be yours now Dew. Or whoever is still left in VSD.
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Dew
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I am no longer in VSD, I am guildless at the moment.
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Meh
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Well, why not open the clan forums to all? I mean, it's not like we put anything relevant to rp on there anyways. 
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Dew
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Well, I dont mind a little privacy, and I am sure Iago doesn't want your opinion on what dress he is gonna wear this weekend...... in game..... err on his dancers.
So no to opening to all, yes to guild leader or rep.
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Meh
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Just make a private sub-section
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Iago
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| Dew wrote: | | I am sure Iago doesn't want your opinion on what dress he is gonna wear this weekend...... in game..... err on his dancers. |
Meh can give me his opinion, but he better not say it makes me look fat. That makes me sad.
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Dew
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| Meh wrote: | | Just make a private sub-section |
We got enough sub forums and forums, look, this was only to help RP communication, this has nothing to do with having outsiders comment on the direction of your guild or in the directions it should take. This is nothing more than helpful communication.
If we cant let go of out little forums here, we wont be able to get anywhere close t the way we were.
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Invictus
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| Dew wrote: | | Meh wrote: | | Just make a private sub-section |
We got enough sub forums and forums, look, this was only to help RP communication, this has nothing to do with having outsiders comment on the direction of your guild or in the directions it should take. This is nothing more than helpful communication.
If we cant let go of out little forums here, we wont be able to get anywhere close t the way we were. |
Maybe there should just be 3-4 sections, considering how little some areas are actually used.
The only part of these forums that bugs me is the insane amount of stickies on the RP board. Can't these all be on a locked board called RP Reference??
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Salocin
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| Invictus wrote: | | The only part of these forums that bugs me is the insane amount of stickies on the RP board. Can't these all be on a locked board called RP Reference?? |
Off topic a bit, but I agree there.
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Dew
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Ya, its a mess, but as used as these forums are these days we could probably go doen to one section
I hope once new mods are in place, they will take on the work of cleaning up their own sections.
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Liisa
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What goes on in the guild forums may not be secret, but it may be guild private. For instance there might be a discussion to resolve an internal quarrel or issue, there may be plans discussed on how to create something cool for the community, there might be discussions concerning the goals and aims of the guild.
Even if those things are not secret they are pretty much none of other peoples' business so to speak. The risk of opening up forums is that everyone and their mother will jump in and have opinions on things that doesn't even concern them. Even if they mean well it may be difficult enough as it is to keep a discussion to stick to subject. Personally I've been somewhat annoyed when people who quit playing a year ago and who has no plans on coming back jumps into a discussion about a present issue and has agitated opinions on how it should be resolved etc. If they aren't in the game, or if they aren't in the guild, there is no need to get into the discussion and hence no reason to read them. If a discussion is about a general community issue it will be posted in the General threads.
The idea to let guild leaders and/or forum active representatives of the guilds have access to the other guilds to help with input from those other guilds where needed is great in my opinion. They just need to be disciplined enough not to poke their personal opinions into every little crack but to give their input when it is suitable to do so because of known facts that help the discussion or interguild cooperation ideas etc. Dew's example of offering advice on how to get imps to script losing a battle is a good example.
Guild ambassadors with common sense is good. Open guild forums is not. That's my 2 cents. =)
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Iago
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| Liisa wrote: | What goes on in the guild forums may not be secret, but it may be guild private. For instance there might be a discussion to resolve an internal quarrel or issue, there may be plans discussed on how to create something cool for the community, there might be discussions concerning the goals and aims of the guild.
Even if those things are not secret they are pretty much none of other peoples' business so to speak. The risk of opening up forums is that everyone and their mother will jump in and have opinions on things that doesn't even concern them. Even if they mean well it may be difficult enough as it is to keep a discussion to stick to subject. Personally I've been somewhat annoyed when people who quit playing a year ago and who has no plans on coming back jumps into a discussion about a present issue and has agitated opinions on how it should be resolved etc. If they aren't in the game, or if they aren't in the guild, there is no need to get into the discussion and hence no reason to read them. If a discussion is about a general community issue it will be posted in the General threads.
Guild ambassadors with common sense is good. Open guild forums is not. That's my 2 cents. =) |
QFE.
I've had some issues with people poking their nose in KRETL's business, and those were from people we chose to allow access to our forum, ourselves. That makes me wary about adding more non-members.
| Liisa wrote: | | The idea to let guild leaders and/or forum active representatives of the guilds have access to the other guilds to help with input from those other guilds where needed is great in my opinion. They just need to be disciplined enough not to poke their personal opinions into every little crack but to give their input when it is suitable to do so because of known facts that help the discussion or interguild cooperation ideas etc. Dew's example of offering advice on how to get imps to script losing a battle is a good example. |
Dew's example could be fixed with communication outside the private forums, as well. Guild representatives are not NECESSARY to fix the problem, but are a possible solution. It may work, or it may make things more difficult. I'll wait and see.
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Dew
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Again.... *big sigh*
The idea behind this is that it would help to open the communications for RP between guilds and individuals.
I will tell you right now, there are probably enough people with access to multiple forums right now that see all the internal disagreements that I think your fears of people knowing about them are, well, pointless.
I pointed out that the leaders of those guilds had the right to refuse the right to have someone in their forum, if they had the fact to prove they would be diruptive in some sort of way. The leaders or reps would be allowed acces would be RP focused people
*shakes head and walks out*
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Amunet
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| Liisa wrote: | What goes on in the guild forums may not be secret, but it may be guild private. For instance there might be a discussion to resolve an internal quarrel or issue, there may be plans discussed on how to create something cool for the community, there might be discussions concerning the goals and aims of the guild.
Even if those things are not secret they are pretty much none of other peoples' business so to speak. The risk of opening up forums is that everyone and their mother will jump in and have opinions on things that doesn't even concern them. Even if they mean well it may be difficult enough as it is to keep a discussion to stick to subject. Personally I've been somewhat annoyed when people who quit playing a year ago and who has no plans on coming back jumps into a discussion about a present issue and has agitated opinions on how it should be resolved etc. If they aren't in the game, or if they aren't in the guild, there is no need to get into the discussion and hence no reason to read them. If a discussion is about a general community issue it will be posted in the General threads.
The idea to let guild leaders and/or forum active representatives of the guilds have access to the other guilds to help with input from those other guilds where needed is great in my opinion. |
Good insight Lisa. And I agree. Thank you for not making me type all that.
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Rinna
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I'd like to point out, here, that Dew's proposal never said anything about making all private forums open and public to everyone. What he said involved letting each group have ONE representative with access to each of the other forums, as a sort of observer. I think that this could be a viable way to help promote communication around here. At least he's bringing ideas to the table, and I don't see many others making that effort.
I think the idea has a lot of merit, and am puzzled at the strong resistance of a few people. Where is the input from the other GC guilds? Why all the cloak-and-dagger secrecy?
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Rinna
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How about it, silent- and nearly-silent-types??
/poke TEMPL
/poke NRC
/poke AR
/poke Unguilded-But-Still-Members-of-the-Group
I know people in these guilds. Some of them are my friends, IRL, too. They are smart people with valuable insights. I'm sure these guilds and their representatives must have some constructive suggestions and relevant comments, aside from smiley faces and quotes devoid of original input - even if the smilies are cute and the quoted information is valid.
We're all part of this community - let's have some frickin' involvement and interaction, dammit!
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Liisa
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I just want to point out that my post was in agreement with having representatives from the guilds in the other guilds' forums.
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xyryn
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Liisa's post was in agreement.
I am also in agreement with Dew's proposal.
The example referred to is a case in point...it appeared to be a guild issue, but it was a multi-guild issue. An observer would catch that, and suggest it be opened up to public discussion.
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Amunet
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Yeah, I guess that last sentence where I agreed with Lisa and Dew was skipped over by the reader. Sometimes a simple agreement is all that needs to be said to lend support to something worth while. *shrug*
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Iago
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As I've stated, I'm willing to give this a shot, as long as the guilds have a right to the final call on who is allowed in their forums. That, honestly, isn't a crushing stipulation.
If I was at all worried about secrets and skeletons, I'd have made an attempt to move KRETL elsewhere, already. There are influences that would not have a positive effect on some guild forums, and I simply request that each guild has the right to request a different person to join their forum, if they feel it prudent (and not that they would need "one heck of a reason").
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Sai'nu
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Stop poking me, dammit, Rinn!
Eh, maybe it's just me but even when I had a guild leadership I thought we were pretty much already practicing a "Let in who we feel needs to be in" approach to things.
/point up at Usergroups
You've all always had the ability to say, "Hey, come in here or stay the Hell out of 'x' forum." With the exception of our two Admins of course. And to be honest I haven't seen either one butt in somewhere where they promised to stay out of that much except where they thought they saw a red flag.
I guess I'm saying any communication break down doesn't really have anything to do with who can see in what forum. It has to do with what everyone wants as individuals and as the groups and then as the community that makes them happy. At some point a lot of our wants went separate ways and there hasn't been much agreeing since. This happens wither or not any one of us is in game or even around on the forums. So don't think it's just "You."
As long as there exists a "We like it this way" opinion your still going to see problems. Especially when pro-change is even less flexible than the non-change wants.
What you've really got to do is figure out what your focus is again and get the community behind it. And don't say "roleplaying"...
That goes without saying.
Isleh and I had a talk about this and the entire frame work of what happened, and crumbled, was designed on an idea of creating a hub. It worked well once; it can work well again. But it is up to this new group to decide what that hub focus is and if you can all agree on something that you won't then proceed to rip apart when you get bored. You all know how delicate things are the smaller a community gets at this point. You need every new and old dog you can get basically. Your new dogs like the happy new fresh world where as your old dogs want something familiar.
I'm not saying the access thing is a bad idea; but it isn't anything that hasn't been done before.
Another problem with the idea is whom will acknowledge whom at this point most likely. At least within SWG.
Personally, I think we've reached a point where this is as good as it is going to get, people. At least till the community can move on to a different game or SOE does something that forces us to either move servers or forces a flood of new players on us that remain constant and steady players.
But at this point if you can say to yourself, "I can still have fun with this game." That may be all you really need worry about at the end of the gaming day.
I've got my grudges around here too. But if this banter is of any use to any of you; use it.
I think that's about all I can say about that... other than if you feel someone isn't communicating with you that should be; communicate with them?
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Dew
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Well here is the problem I see, and obviously for Eago it will be the same issue, he wants to control is world, which is fine, so he will only allow his little circle to be in his little world, or in this case, his forum.
If this is already being done, then I drop the idea right here, after all communication is  great around here!
I was warned before I started trying to bring back some life, I should have listened.
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Dew
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As a side note, the Kreetles forum has had 5 new threads started this year, the last one being Feb 1, so while we can be closedminded about this, if the guilds aren't communicating internally, you are right, have outside person drumming up communcation wont help will it....
So on this note, I am done with this discussion. Continue on as you were.
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Rinna
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| Dew wrote: | | Well here is the problem I see, and obviously for Eago it will be the same issue... |
Come on, now, Dew. Once might be considered a typo, but this consistent name-calling makes YOU look about as mature as a pre-schooler. I expected better of someone in your position, especially with your current take-the-high-road attitude.
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Dew
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Naw, if you cant beat them, join them....
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Rinna
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| Dew wrote: | | Naw, if you cant beat them, join them.... |
I guess I must have missed the post where someone called you ugly names.
Off-topic: Thanks for bringing back the Events Forum - some of us were quite confused.
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Dew
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I missed the post where I called anyone ugly names, as a historical reference, I have called him that before in Noc chat, it is more of a loving reference really.
And as for the high road, its cold and lonely up here, and I keep getting nose bleeds.
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Nuri
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I am going to try and steer this back to the proposal of allowing an outside rep access to the private forums.
We have 5 private guild forums right now: Kreetle, NRC, Rystorm Academy, Temple, and VSD.
I don't know if the following can speak for the guild, but here's what I have seen. Please correct me if I have misread something.
* Reps from AR (Amunet), Temple (KS), and VSD (Nyvveck) have come out and stated that the support the idea.
* Reps from Kreetle have expressed mixed sentiments on the idea. (Rinna supported it, but Iago had reservations and I have no idea how Zyre feels).
* Reps from NRC have not responded at all. (Liisa may be in NRC, but I think Cyl would be the one to comment on this as guild leader.)
Others have chimed in to give their thoughts (e.g. Liisa and Batty both had well constructed replies).
I myself have not chimed in because neither Avant nor AoD have forums here. If we were speaking hypotheticals, it wouldn't be my call if Avant had one anyway, as Zyre and Rinna are the guild leaders. (AoD does have a public forum, but it's been really dead since NGE and of little or no consequence to any outside of myself and a few friends who no longer play. If anyone is dying to see it, let me know.)
If a guild wants to allow them in, I don't see a problem with it.
Bottom line is who now makes the call on whether or not this comes to fruition?
Do we only open up (to an outside rep) the forums which showed their approval to this? Do we open them all up because the majority of the guilds is in favor? Do we not open up any and shelve the idea, because not all showed their support for it?
(Keep in mind that Shen and Dew run this place and ultimately can do things however they please. )
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Dew
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The best case scenario would be the same rep/leader had access to all guild forums, that way the communication would flow among all forums.
That said, this is far from a perfect world, as noted, and I am sure that one person will have an issue with another person and screw that idea all up. (although I would really like to see people "get over" what ever personal dislikes they have of others and not make that a stumbling point for this) But then, I may be asking alot.
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xyryn
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Temple's rep will be xyryn. I will also add named reps to Temple's forum.
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Salocin
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| Nuri wrote: | | VSD (Nyvveck) |
As I keep trying to tell people, VSD no longer exists. I believe the only person in it currently is Emibesqua (He reinstalled last night).
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Nuri
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| Salocin wrote: | | Nuri wrote: | | VSD (Nyvveck) |
As I keep trying to tell people, VSD no longer exists. I believe the only person in it currently is Emibesqua (He reinstalled last night). |
Whether or not VSD exists as a guild, there is still a Private Forum for it on the boards here and that was what I was referring to. As the mod for that forum, I figured you would be the one to represent it.
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