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Isleh
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 Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 2:29 am Post subject: Views on "Clensing" via Cloning. |
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Regarding cloning, I fall into the "very severe injury and transportation to a medical facility for treatment" group. Now this may mean partial cloning to regrow lost parts. Cybernetic limbs may be a cheaper solution and easier to obtain by people who are outlaws.
From the tales RP thinktank
| Quote: | | --Cloning is a rare and expensive technology in the game's selected Star Wars time frame. Many players consider cloning to not be an actual death in role play, rather a very severe injury and transportation to a medical facility for treatment. While no one is required to hold this same view, consider that after any serious medical operation (injury, a cloning, an illness), your character will be weak and not at their full abilities. |
Does this invalidate the Replicant story arc? No. It's sort of the same concept as getting injured and needing surgery done and being messed up so bad that the surgon doesn't notice that they left a sponge in 'ya. Then getting injured and messed up again that during the surgery, the surgon doesn't even notice they found an extra sponge.
Begs a few other questions, but, it's not my story arc and the story arc assumes cloning. Where my view and Jabe's view don't mesh, well, it's up to me to explain why and fit it into what Jabe has set up.
But being sent to the cloner and "clensed" [from Isleh's and the player's perspctive] means that so much is messed up and that so much has to be rebuilt, that the replicant part is removed ( or most of it is as in what may be the case with E-bo ) in the mass reconstruction of the body.
AND that the person being "clensed" has to be kept alive through all of it.
In short, being "clensed" is being messed up by someone so bad that they beat the replicant out of you. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 2:34 am Post subject: |
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I completely agree with Isleh's take on this. Kudos to her for taking the time to type this up. It's been a bit of a sticking point for several people with this story arc.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 2:36 am Post subject: |
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/agree Isleh ... That is easier to get on board with. Thanks for the write up.  |
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Isleh
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| Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 3:25 am Post subject: |
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Welcome 
But, it also makes the part about Isleh erasing her cloning data null-and-void. Since, it wouldn't matter.
I'm fine with altering that part of my previous RP so I can fit my view of cloning in with the arc though. I'd say it wouldn't stop Isleh becoming a replicant if she was sent to a "dirty" facility, just slow it down some to buy E-bo some time. |
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Well, my personal take on cloning is that someone stores there DNA and other Genetic data in the cloning computer. When they're vitals flatline, the nearest cloner uses that stored data to create a new copy of the individual.
I know there are holes in that philosophy, such as "When and how does the computer know when you've flatlined". To me however, it is easier to make an excuse for that, then how your severly injured (Probably incapacitated) body made it to a cloner when your hunting alone in the middle of a strange planet, lol. So either wat there are gonna be holes.
So with that cloning philosophy in mind, both the replicant process and the cleansing process make perfect sense.
When you clone into a contamonated cloner, the nano-bots are able to get into the core DNA being created in the new copy, hence making a replicant.
If you are sent to a clean cloner, the DNA of the new copy is not tampered with, creating your "normal" self. So the cleansing makes sense too.
This is a really good post though, because how we view the function of a cloner really decides what makes sense and what doesn't. So this is the perfect place for people to get on the same page.
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I'd love to explain the process as I envision it and straighten this matter out. Unfortunately the event is waiting on one milestone to be reached: creating a replicant from Whar's wafer. I been trying to prod the community to get this from him and get it done under all costs. It will explain everything.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 4:14 am Post subject: |
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oh.... oops.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 4:24 am Post subject: |
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| Jabe Adaks wrote: | I'd love to explain the process as I envision it and straighten this matter out. Unfortunately the event is waiting on one milestone to be reached: creating a replicant from Whar's wafer. I been trying to prod the community to get this from him and get it done under all costs. It will explain everything.
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Well, we tried this once. We had everything set up, but our plan was twarted the same night we were supposed to do it....almost as if they knew what we were planning *enter more paranoia here*
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| Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Vandal wrote: | Well, my personal take on cloning is that someone stores there DNA and other Genetic data in the cloning computer. When they're vitals flatline, the nearest cloner uses that stored data to create a new copy of the individual.
I know there are holes in that philosophy, such as "When and how does the computer know when you've flatlined". To me however, it is easier to make an excuse for that, then how your severly injured (Probably incapacitated) body made it to a cloner when your hunting alone in the middle of a strange planet, lol. So either wat there are gonna be holes.
So with that cloning philosophy in mind, both the replicant process and the cleansing process make perfect sense.
When you clone into a contamonated cloner, the nano-bots are able to get into the core DNA being created in the new copy, hence making a replicant.
If you are sent to a clean cloner, the DNA of the new copy is not tampered with, creating your "normal" self. So the cleansing makes sense too.
This is a really good post though, because how we view the function of a cloner really decides what makes sense and what doesn't. So this is the perfect place for people to get on the same page.
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Well, cloning has other implications as well that boil down to.
"Just kill them, they'll clone." - "I'll just kill myself, I'll clone."
It takes away the fear of death which everyone plays IC, otherwise, we end up with this...
"We're lost, we have no food and we're low on supplies and surrounded. We need to get help and get this vital information to the commander. Jones, I know it's too much to ask, but I need you to sneak through the enemy lines and get us help... "
"Sir, I have a better plan."
"What?"
"Well, we've been hauling Bob's ass all over the place because he's got two broken legs, why don't we just shoot him? He'll clone, and he can maybe send us help. At any rate, he'll feel better since we're out of medical supplies."
"Capital idea, Bob? you in on this?"
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This is the inherent flaw with the check, check plus, check minus system.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Isleh wrote: | | Vandal wrote: | Well, my personal take on cloning is that someone stores there DNA and other Genetic data in the cloning computer. When they're vitals flatline, the nearest cloner uses that stored data to create a new copy of the individual.
I know there are holes in that philosophy, such as "When and how does the computer know when you've flatlined". To me however, it is easier to make an excuse for that, then how your severly injured (Probably incapacitated) body made it to a cloner when your hunting alone in the middle of a strange planet, lol. So either wat there are gonna be holes.
So with that cloning philosophy in mind, both the replicant process and the cleansing process make perfect sense.
When you clone into a contamonated cloner, the nano-bots are able to get into the core DNA being created in the new copy, hence making a replicant.
If you are sent to a clean cloner, the DNA of the new copy is not tampered with, creating your "normal" self. So the cleansing makes sense too.
This is a really good post though, because how we view the function of a cloner really decides what makes sense and what doesn't. So this is the perfect place for people to get on the same page.
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Well, cloning has other implications as well that boil down to.
"Just kill them, they'll clone." - "I'll just kill myself, I'll clone."
It takes away the fear of death which everyone plays IC, otherwise, we end up with this...
"We're lost, we have no food and we're low on supplies and surrounded. We need to get help and get this vital information to the commander. Jones, I know it's too much to ask, but I need you to sneak through the enemy lines and get us help... "
"Sir, I have a better plan."
"What?"
"Well, we've been hauling Bob's ass all over the place because he's got two broken legs, why don't we just shoot him? He'll clone, and he can maybe send us help. At any rate, he'll feel better since we're out of medical supplies."
"Capital idea, Bob? you in on this?"
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LOL. That may be true, but like I said every system is gonna have holes, or ways to exploit it. Thats Just the nature if the beast.
For me, I guess I take the simplistic view of, "If its a cloner, then it clones". If it was called a "Bacta Healing Tank" or something I would say it heals.
There is really no right way to look at it, it could easily play either way. I'll roll with whatever the community decides
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| Well I just wanted to say I agreed with Isleh's take on that. And I've assumed the Replication/Cleansing process just required a wafer or contaminated Bacta treatment. I've always seen "cloning" as being like Luke after the Wampa attack. |
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| Vandal wrote: | LOL. That may be true, but like I said every system is gonna have holes, or ways to exploit it. Thats Just the nature if the beast.
For me, I guess I take the simplistic view of, "If its a cloner, then it clones". If it was called a "Bacta Healing Tank" or something I would say it heals.
There is really no right way to look at it, it could easily play either way. I'll roll with whatever the community decides
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I kinda view bacta as a cloning stem cell
| Quote: | | Stem cells in animals are primal undifferentiated cells that retain the ability to divide and differentiate into other cell types. In higher plants this function is the defining property of the meristematic cells. Stem cells have the ability to act as a repair system for the body, because they can divide and differentiate, replenishing other cells as long as the host organism is alive. |
So bacta would be, primal undifferentiated cells that divide and differentiate into clones of the host's stem cells. These in turn act as a repair system for the body, dividing and differentiating, replenishing other cells. |
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As far as RP is concerned, I have seen it as Isleh just described. If everyone just cloned the RP would be pointless. We're just a bunch of immortals running around being silly then. Ulitimatley there has to be a consequential life and death. For the sake of replication, perhaps maybe a clone is made and the original stored somewhere.
Just because it says cloning center doesnt mean I cant use my imagination just a smidge. And just because people click on the Luke button, doesnt mean I cant see them as something other than Jedi.
Besides, we are all using our imaginations to an extent anyway.
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| Warsloth wrote: | As far as RP is concerned, I have seen it as Isleh just described. If everyone just cloned the RP would be pointless. We're just a bunch of immortals running around being silly then. Ulitimatley there has to be a consequential life and death. For the sake of replication, perhaps maybe a clone is made and the original stored somewhere.
Just because it says cloning center doesnt mean I cant use my imagination just a smidge. And just because people click on the Luke button, doesnt mean I cant see them as something other than Jedi.
Besides, we are all using our imaginations to an extent anyway. |
Well, to this point, it doesn't really matter if its cloning or healing. By game mechanics we are all immortal. People can RP like they will never actually die regardless of how we say a cloner works. If a cloner heals, then all that means is that same "bad" Roleplayer would say:
"Man its a long way...wait...I have a better idea. Just kill me and my body will be carried instantly by Joe across the entire planet to the healing center"
If someone wants to play like that nothing is gonna stop them...except us maybe telling them thats retarded, LOL.
Like I said, I'll flow with however the community wants to do it. My point is that it doesn't really matter simply because any point can go either way on this one.
If we want to view it as healing thats great. It fits much better with how I percieve a RP Deathblow (Beaten with serious/life threatening Injuries). Before I would DB to "Injure" them, and they would go to the cloner only as Game Mechanic. So Isy's view will make the RP flow a little smoother.
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