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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:03 am    Post subject: Replicants Reply with quote

I was just smoking and enjoying some Chocolate hazlenut coffee (when I do my best thinking...or perhaps most confusing) and I thought of a few questions that led to some assumptions which led to yet more questions...so here goes.

First I wondered if there was a way to tell who a replicant was through the force. Assumption: If the force infuses everything and binds everything together then it would stand to reason that one might be able to pick out a replicant simply by the vergence in the force they would display due to them sharing thoughts/mind.

But this then made me think...on the one hand the force is described as a energy field that surrounds us and binds together all living things.

Ok well then in Ep1 we learn that the force is actually a parasite that can be measured in sentients...so does this means midichlorians infuse everything? I find it hard to believe the energy field is actually parasites that would dwell not only in the bloodstream on sentients, but also in the single cells of singe-celled critters, plantlife cells, airborne, etc.

Switching back to the replicant detection issue I then decided if we are under the assumption it IS in fact an energy field or these parasites communicating with eachother (listening to the force) then it would almost be impossible to detect one as the voice of the replicant would just blend with all of the other force noise. By the same token this would also have to negate the idea of the replicants communicating with eachother with a "shared brain" because they would not be able to separate eachother from all of the other force noise....Using the scene in Nar Shadaa in KOTOR as an example of listening to everything through the force....then add in that the replicants are spread out among several planets and well..it just seems a bit confusing.

Can someone clarify perhaps?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm 6 views and no comments....apparently my confusing internal dialogue is contagious. big grin
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still point to Jabe as the expert here since the story arc is his brainchild so to speak.

However, the only way I was able to tell Isleh was a replicant was by means of The Force. She gave me a tell informing me I didn't feel that little Force connection I have with her while at Rinna's clinic and an entire scene developed from there.

Maybe Isy or Jabe can offer a nod in here in that regard. My impression was this was just a fluke and couldn't be a 100% means of detection. So, I assumed special circumstance for that night.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps you can start up the whole force energy thread in the jedi forums shen, id like to see some peoples take on it
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there anything in the EU that suggests a force sensitive can use the force to detect disease and if so, how far progressed?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is there anything in the EU that suggests a force sensitive can use the force to detect disease and if so, how far progressed?


In the Jedi Academy Trilogy there was a Force Student that did have a power of detecting/curing through the Force. So, it is feasible. But it also had limits.

I'd have to re-read it myself but Kevin J. Anderson was the one that wrote that series.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isleh wrote:
Is there anything in the EU that suggests a force sensitive can use the force to detect disease and if so, how far progressed?



Clinghal used a process of deceting/removing a poision from mon motha's body
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Perhaps you can start up the whole force energy thread in the jedi forums shen, id like to see some peoples take on it


Nah I just put it in this public one so I could hear from everyone.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was wondering this the other night. Last night in questioning Feirith I learned that the replicants are focused on "processing" those with "the gift", so my assumption is that of the force. There has to be a connection here somehow. I'm curious and would like to know as well.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Replicants Reply with quote

Shensen wrote:

First I wondered if there was a way to tell who a replicant was through the force. Assumption: If the force infuses everything and binds everything together then it would stand to reason that one might be able to pick out a replicant simply by the vergence in the force they would display due to them sharing thoughts/mind.

But this then made me think...on the one hand the force is described as a energy field that surrounds us and binds together all living things.

Ok well then in Ep1 we learn that the force is actually a parasite that can be measured in sentients...so does this means midichlorians infuse everything? I find it hard to believe the energy field is actually parasites that would dwell not only in the bloodstream on sentients, but also in the single cells of singe-celled critters, plantlife cells, airborne, etc.

Switching back to the replicant detection issue I then decided if we are under the assumption it IS in fact an energy field or these parasites communicating with eachother (listening to the force) then it would almost be impossible to detect one as the voice of the replicant would just blend with all of the other force noise. By the same token this would also have to negate the idea of the replicants communicating with eachother with a "shared brain" because they would not be able to separate eachother from all of the other force noise....Using the scene in Nar Shadaa in KOTOR as an example of listening to everything through the force....then add in that the replicants are spread out among several planets and well..it just seems a bit confusing.

Can someone clarify perhaps?


I took the statements in Ep.1 to mean that the midichlorians were an indicator of the Force, the more Force sensitive..the more midichlorians. I didn't understand it to mean that the midichlorians were the source of the Force.

Now, as for the Replicants and their hive mind...that could be the main part of the replication, it is built into the brain as a prosthetic. Remember the wafer with the nano-probes? Therefore, being machine, the communication is not thru' the force, it is thru' the same technology as the communicators.

Which means the hive mind uses a subspace frequency...which is a means of detecting them. The idea that Fierith can get closer or farther from the Loudest Voice would support the idea of technology rather than Force. Therefore, we should be able to locate the frequency and jam it.

Now, presumably this is possible, but difficult. Otherwise, the two opposing forces in space battles would have spectrum analyzers working overtime to locate the enemy's frequencies and would eventually be able to jam communication...thus ensuring victory.

My take on the Force as a means of detecting the replicants:

Darth Vader could detect Obi Wan and knew who he was from a distance. But he could not detect Luke until after he had actually met him. The only instances of telepathy are between father and son. The best the Emperor could do with Luke was telempathy, and Count Dooku didn't know that Palpatine was about to toss him to the dogs.

Therefore, telempathy is common to the jedi and sith, but some kind of special bond is required for telepathy. It may be that only a blood bond can engender telepathy, but I'm guessing that a deep emotional bond can too. (I'd further posit that once a force user has experienced a deep emotional bond, and the ensuing joining of minds, that sex with a non-force user would be nearly impossible. But that is another train of thought.)

Therefore, Batak could detect that the replicant Isy, even in death, wasn't the real one. He would also have been aware that the real Isy wasn't dead. The Twins, Spyte and Malis, having both the blood bond and being both Force users, are guaranteed to not be replicants, as the Kiva has pointed out to at least one person. The same is true of Batak and Vreese. I'm not sure about Safia and Sofia, they seem to have been sundered by being on opposing extremes of Force use, but their reconciliation may rebuild that bond.

The Kiva, as hinted at in an earlier post, has the idea that if various Force users can get to know various other people of limited Force ability, then they can monitor the limited ones. She wonders if even the bond of enmity might be enough...ie: Hashum and Shensen.

Now ... who will monitor Nyvveck?


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well when I think about the scene in which luke trains against the remote with his eye covered, I imagine "seeing" through the force as being sort of like looking at everything in infrared. Sentients and animals giving off the "brightest" (for lack of better word) force footprint.

So when I think of detecting replicants and now thinking about nanomachines, they would almost certainly have a spottier or hazier force footprint as the living tissue would also be a host to these nanos. Even a non-force sensitive would display a steadier image I would think.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cymrych wrote:
I was wondering this the other night. Last night in questioning Feirith I learned that the replicants are focused on "processing" those with "the gift", so my assumption is that of the force. There has to be a connection here somehow. I'm curious and would like to know as well.


Well they could just want the power that comes along with "the gift".

As to the Midiclorian I prefer to think of it as an "active" part of a cell or DNA that is intune with this life force that binds all life together.

There are so many inactive portions of DNA in our strands what's to say what could happen if some were turned "on".

So I see the Force as Yoda describes it in EP II, however it's the Midiclorian that allow the Jedi "use" it as it were.

As to the Replicants I don't know a bloody thing about them. The only thing I've read is about bad Bacta being what seems to cause a Replicant to be "born", and that possibly a clean cloning (after death of replicant) returns them to normal? Not sure how accurate that is. If this is the case what happens to the real person?

Is the Replicant then the real Hashum in which case I don't really see how the Force could signal a replicant as it would have all the properties Hashum does.

How this is all far too deep for me.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually on the subject of determining who is and who isn't, my probe droid is set up to insert a probe into the back of the targets skull and take a brain tissue sample, which then can be used to determine if the target is a replicant or not. The downside is the target is usually killed during the procedure. Other than that it works well. Twisted evil
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aaarrrrgghhhhhhh!!!!

Head hurts ..... must ...... rest .......... now.

This replicant thing is confusing me more everyday......

Cheers.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tsarg wrote:
Aaarrrrgghhhhhhh!!!!

Head hurts ..... must ...... rest .......... now.

This replicant thing is confusing me more everyday......

Cheers.


Just remember, there is someone running this part of the show. While we my speculate and say "It could be this way", they have the final say. If he says no, then it's no.

I just hope "The Force" doesn't become the Star Wars equivalent of "Jordi's visor".
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