Recap Of The Community Council Meeting (3-05-08)

Cryil · Admiral Karma: Add Karma Joined: 23 Feb 2006 Posts: 799

Here is brief rundown/recap of the meeting held 02/13/08 at 9 PM EDT.

Next Community Council Meeting: 3/12/08, 9 PM EDT, The Black & White Ballroom (-3395, -1356 -- Outskirts of Nocturnus)

Attendees: Nurian, Rinna' Xen'ya, Iago, -Zero-, Barraac
Quick Summary of Topics Discussed and Decisions Reached:

Discussed more on the guild leader meeting, and a possible rep for the unguilded members of the community.

The discussion will be continued next week, 3/12/08.

Notes:
The next meeting will be Wednesday 3/12//08 @ 9 PM EDT in the Black & White Ballroom, just outside Nocturnus. All guild leaders are encouraged to attend or at least send a representative. Other interested members of the community are invited to attend as well.

If we could get attendees to arrive on time, we can cover more topics as the meeting will end at 10 PM EDT.

To suggest a topic for the next meeting please go to this thread: Topics for Community Council Meeting

As usual, if you have any questions or suggestions, PLEASE PM ME
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inna' Bek'kai welcomes Nurian Avari.
Nurian Avari forgot his chair.
Rinna' Bek'kai welcomes xen'ya.
xen'ya says, "!"
Barraac says, "KS?" in Shyriiwook.
Rinna' Bek'kai whispers, "Is the meeting officially started, then?"
xen'ya says, "Griven has company, so will not be here, tonite."
You nod at xen'ya.
Nurian Avari says, "!"
xen'ya says, "done"
Barraac says, "Nurian?" in Shyriiwook.
Nurian Avari says, "Griven needs to get his priorities straight. smile

Done."
Barraac says, "Alright, as I cant remember how Nurian started this thing, lets just get started" in Shyriiwook.
xen'ya says, "Think he does."
Rinna' Bek'kai nods at you.
Nurian Avari says, "That's pretty much it. smile

"
Barraac says, "Does anyone remember where we left off last wensday?" in Shyriiwook.
Nurian Avari says, "!"
xen'ya says, "IN a flurry of votes."
Barraac says, "Nurian?" in Shyriiwook.
Nurian Avari says, "We had voted to include all existing guilds in the guild/rep meeting. We had not decided what to do with the unguilded.
Nurian Avari says, "Zero had a comment before we voted, but he was too slow with it. He may wish to make it tonight. I don't know."
Barraac says, "He said he was going to be abit late, so we can save that until he gets here" in Shyriiwook.
Nurian Avari says, "Just to recap. We have voted to have a guild/rep meeting. We voted to have it in Zero's bunker. We voted that the guild leader OR a chosen rep would attend and then that every guild still existing would be invited."
Nurian Avari says, "Done."
You nod at Nurian Avari.
Rinna' Bek'kai says, "!"
Barraac says, "Rinna?" in Shyriiwook.
Rinna' Bek'kai says, "So, we know WHERE the meeting is..."
Rinna' Bek'kai says, "we know WHO is to attend..."
Rinna' Bek'kai says, "But we don't know WHEN or WHY."
Rinna' Bek'kai says, "No actual ''agenda'' has been put forth, so we don't have a purpose for this thing. What is the point, basically?"
Barraac says, "So then we need to figure when we will have this meeting, and why we are having it" in Shyriiwook.
Rinna' Bek'kai says, "And"
Rinna' Bek'kai apologizes to you and begs your forgiveness.
Iago Boom salutes.
Rinna' Bek'kai says, "I still fail to see how such a meeting would be any different, both in practice and in result(s), than these meetings we already have, that are considered ''pointless'' and ''a waste of game time''"
Nurian Avari says, "!"
Rinna' Bek'kai says, "Can anyone help me understand?"
Rinna' Bek'kai says, "Done."
Barraac says, "Nurian" in Shyriiwook.
xen'ya says, "!"
Iago Boom raises his hand.
Nurian Avari says, "I think one of the reasons suggested to have a different meeting was so that it could be held at a different time than the usual meeting so others like Invitus could attend. Also, Zero has suggested that it could be held in a more "cozy" environment and t"
Nurian Avari says, ".. "cozy" environment and that might make people more willing to share/discuss or something."
Nurian Avari says, "Done."
Barraac says, "Xen'ya?" in Shyriiwook.
xen'ya says, "Two things..."
xen'ya says, "first...let's drop the hurt feelings aabout comments made about this meeting, in the past."
Rinna' Bek'kai says, "!"
xen'ya says, "The proposed meeting is to discuss the future of the community...there is a disconnect in both goals and communication."
Nurian Avari says, "!"
xen'ya says, "The communication thing has improved somewhat since the meeting was first proposed, which indicates..."
xen'ya says, "A willingness to work on that problem."
xen'ya says, "The rest still needs to be thrashed out...do we split or heal the differences."
xen'ya says, "done"
Barraac says, "Iago?" in Shyriiwook.
Iago Boom salutes you.
Iago Boom says, "We've already been discussing this meeting for at least an hour a week for ...a month? Let's just have it and find out if it is effective."
xen'ya agrees with Iago Boom.
Iago Boom says, "If it's a waste of time, then we won't do another, but I suspect it'll be a start, if it isn't something worthwhile."
Iago Boom says, "d on e ish"
Barraac says, "Rinna?" in Shyriiwook.
Rinna' Bek'kai says, "As far as the hurt feelings comment - my feelings are long since over it."
Rinna' Bek'kai says, "People already consider THESE meetings a total joke and a waste of time. I believe that would simply transfer over to any other such meetings...that they'd just be lumped into the same category, and be similarly regarded."
Rinna' Bek'kai says, "Done."
Barraac says, "Nurian?" in Shyriiwook.
Nurian Avari says, "I am not opposed to having the guild leader/rep meeting by any means, but everything we have said we needed it for, could have been discussed at any of the meetings we have had. I guess it was a matter of people's choice. Or a matter of it just needing to"
Nurian Avari says, "...just needing to get so bad."
[Chat] xen'ya says, "!"
Nurian Avari says, "We need to decide a few things still, but the sooner we have it the better."
Nurian Avari says, "And if people come, good. If they don't...well, you can't make people do things they don't want to."
Nurian Avari says, "Done"
Iago Boom cheers for himself.
Iago Boom says, "Let's hold off on questioning this meeting's validity until AFTER we've decided on an agenda."
Iago Boom says, "Until we have one, there's no freakin' way we'll be able to decide if it will have any purpose."
Iago Boom says, "done"
Barraac says, "Xen'ya?" in Shyriiwook.
xen'ya says, "The purpose of not having the meeting during this time slot is the availability of about half of the community."
Rinna' Bek'kai says, "!"
xen'ya says, "We need to have this meeting during a weekend day or early evening, so that those who are sleeping at this time can attend."
xen'ya says, "done"
Barraac says, "Rinna?" in Shyriiwook.
Rinna' Bek'kai says, "Perhaps I should post about this on GC, but I really don't think people realize they can simply make the meeting time an agenda item for one of these meetings."
Rinna' Bek'kai says, "I mean, really, that's how we determined the meeting times to begin with - we asked about everyone's availability, and this was the most conducive time to getting everyone able to meet"
Rinna' Bek'kai says, "And there was never any ''rule'' that said we couldn't change it for the same reason(s)."
Rinna' Bek'kai says, "Done."
xen'ya says, "!"
Barraac says, "Xen'ya?" in Shyriiwook.
xen'ya says, "I propose Saturday afternoon sometime between 3 and 5 pm, eastern"
Nurian Avari says, "!"
xen'ya says, "After the 18th, /evilgrin"
xen'ya says, "done"
Barraac says, "Nurian?" in Shyriiwook.
Nurian Avari says, "I think we should start a thread on the forums to get some idea of when the people who can't make it here can attend."
xen'ya says, "!"
-Zero- says, "!"
Nurian Avari says, "I know some of us here would have a hard time making Saturdays and we don't know if that's the case with the others."
Nurian Avari says, "Done"
Barraac says, "Xen'ya?" in Shyriiwook.
xen'ya says, "I think we should start with a date and time frame...then see who can't make it, then adjust."
xen'ya says, "It would be faster."
xen'ya says, "done."
Barraac says, "Zero?" in Shyriiwook.
-Zero- says, "Yea, heres my piece on the meeting..."
-Zero- says, "First, I think Griven would be better suited to rep the unguilded because I feel he's less biased than me on the direction of the community..."
-Zero- says, "Second, when I suggested the meeting, the point was to give the Guild leaders a private meeting where they could discuss the direction of their guilds, and interaction without worrying about reactions of others"
Rinna' Bek'kai thanks -Zero-.
-Zero- says, "Posting Chat logs would defeat the purpose of that, although a summary might be a good thing"
Rinna' Bek'kai needed that clarification.
Rinna' Bek'kai agrees with -Zero-.
xen'ya agrees with -Zero-.
-Zero- says, "Unguilded can always voice their concerns here, if we want to have a rep then fine. Once again, allowing everyone to attend defeats the purpose of privacy"
-Zero- says, "Last..."
xen'ya agrees with -Zero-.
Iago Boom agrees with -Zero-.
-Zero- says, "We shouldn't need to plan every detail for them as far as an agenda. Leave that up to the Guild leaders. They can decide what to discuss, or even if they feel the meeting is necessary. It was just a suggestion, and we shouldn't turn it into a mandatory"
-Zero- says, "done"
-Zero- says, "wait"
-Zero- says, "..message was trunacated"
-Zero- says, "If its mandatory and they are forced, then I don't think it will be as productive"
-Zero- says, "okay, done"
Iago Boom raises his hand.
Barraac says, "Alright, as far as a rep for the unguilded, that will have to wait until Griven can have his say, as he is busy with company tonight" in Shyriiwook.
Barraac says, "Iago?" in Shyriiwook.
Iago Boom nods at you.
xen'ya says, "!"
Iago Boom says, "we need a proposed agenda. The meeting doesn't need to spend any specific amount of time on each topic and they can add whatever they want."
Iago Boom says, "Without, at the very least, a list of suggested topics, they would be tossed into shark-infested waters without a life raft."
Iago Boom smiles innocently and dons his halo.
Barraac says, "Xen'ya?" in Shyriiwook.
-Zero- says, "!"
xen'ya says, "I think we should stick with the purpose, and let the leaders/reps decide the agenda, the way they will."
xen'ya says, "doen"
xen'ya says, "Done even."
Barraac says, "Zero?" in Shyriiwook.
-Zero- says, "Yea, I agree with Xen..."
-Zero- says, "The agenda will be determined by the concerns of the guild. For example..."
Barraac says, "( 9 mins left, btw)" in Shyriiwook.
-Zero- says, "The Guild leader for the Kreetles might want to discuss with the other leaders what they can do to make the events more enjoyable to get a better showing"
-Zero- says, "Another Guild might want to discuss trying to put together a Arc or some RPvP between factions"
-Zero- says, "It just depends on their concerns and guild direction"
-Zero- says, "done"
Barraac says, "Alright" in Shyriiwook.
Iago Boom raises his hand.
Barraac says, "Iago?" in Shyriiwook.
xen'ya says, "!"
Iago Boom says, "Our initial reason for this meeting was to attempt to un-fracture the community, right? If we don't specifically ask that the problems we face are covered, why have the meeting?"
Barraac says, "Five minute warning" in Shyriiwook.
-Zero- says, "!"
Iago Boom says, "I don't really think leaving the agenda completely open is a good idea. That's a total waste of time. I can get advice about Kreetle stuff on the forum. This meeting is FOR solving COMMUNITY-WIDE issues, not playing sandbox."
Iago Boom says, "done."
Barraac says, "Xen'ya" in Shyriiwook.
xen'ya says, "I move that we propose, on the GC, that we have the meeting starting between 3 and 5 pm, eastern, on saturday the 22nd of this month."
Iago Boom says, "second"
Nurian Avari says, "!"
Barraac says, "Alright, Shall we take a vote on this then?" in Shyriiwook.
xen'ya says, "WAit!"
xen'ya says, "Propose on the 29th of this month...since the 22nd is Easter weekend."
Iago Boom salutes you.
***iago has gone offline at Wed Mar 05 20:59:51 2008.
Nurian Avari says, "Will second if this needs one."
xen'ya says, "thank you."
Barraac says, "Alright, all those who agree with what Xen'ya has proposed, Say yay, those opposed, say nay" in Shyriiwook.
Rinna' Bek'kai says, "Yay!"
-Zero- says, "Yay!!"
Nurian Avari says, "Yay"
xen'ya says, "Yay"
Rinna' Bek'kai says, "Iago says Yay, too, he had to leave."
Barraac says, "The Yay's have it" in Shyriiwook.
Rinna' Bek'kai says, "TIME"
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Dew · Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 8:31 pm Post subject:

If you guys put as much effort into RP event planning as meetings....wow smile

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Rinna · Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 10:13 am Post subject:

xyryn · Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 7:09 pm Post subject:

The forum discussion on the date and time for the guild leader meeting still needs to be started.
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Rinna · Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 7:12 pm Post subject:

xyryn · Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 7:55 pm Post subject:

Posted.
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Invictus · Admiral Karma: Add Karma Joined: 16 May 2007 Posts: 819

ok so that was a waste of a meeting. you just argued for an hour about why we need the meeting and what date/time to have it.

the agenda was very simple: To decide how guilds will fit into RP.

from there the guild leaders will flow the meeting.

and i still maintain that none guilded people have no place in a Guild Leaders meeting, though isn't that what NoctU was for? the non guild members guild? smile

oh and also, Nuri made a perfect point of the necessity of the meeting. I cannot attend 'your' meetings because i am sleeping. though when a saturday was proposed, that was no good.

The meetings might have been agreed for the date/time it's on now, but how long ago was that agreed? are those who agreed it still here? Are the newer people here fully aware of them? Do you vote annually to change the time to best suit the ever changing community?

/discuss smile

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Rinna · Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 10:19 pm Post subject:

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xyryn · Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:15 pm Post subject:

I take exception to the IDEA that those who are non-guilded choose that so they can roleplay irresponsibly. Some of our most respected roleplayers are currently non-guilded because their guilds disintegrated and none of the current guilds represent their character concepts.

NoctU was indeed established to gather in the non-guilded ... for the purpose of allowing them access to the Immersion War. The Immersion War is currently not happening.

It is not a requirement to be guilded in order to roleplay or be part of this community.

The designation "Guild Leader's Meeting" was not made in order to exclude the non-guilded. It was made to reflect the fact that we want representatives of groups, not whole groups, to attend the meeting. We want results, not endless discussion. A committee of 12 is a faster committee than a committee of 100, and less likely to turn into a lynch mob.
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-Zero · Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:50 pm Post subject:

Well, I agree with Vic on this one. The purpose of the meeting (as far as I knew) was just that. So the Guild Leaders could discuss their roles in the community, in RP, and with each other.

Everyone seems really hung up on this "Lets have an agenda" thing. Why? If we can freeform RP, then a freeform meeting should be easy.

However, if there is going to be an agenda, the only ones planning it should be the Guild Reps who are attending. If I'm not going to be at the meeting, why would I make an agenda for other people. They are the Guild Leaders, let them decide the agenda, if they even want one.

Also, when the suggestion for a Guild Leader meeting was made, it was just that. For Guild Leaders. Yes, unguilded are still an important part of our community. Thats why we have community meetings, and an open forum for them to bring up any ideas. I'm not guilded and I understand Vic's point completely.

The problem with having an unguilded rep is that its much more difficult for that person to speak for all the unguilded people since there is really no definitive way for them to contact everyone (such as Guild mail).

Thats my 2 creds anyway Razz

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Dew · Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:59 am Post subject:

Nyv is a guild of one.
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