Guild War RPvP

Hashum · Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 6:47 pm Post subject: Guild War RPvP

Ok, I’m going to take Dew’s advice and start fresh here with a new thread. If anyone needs a refresher you can take a look back at the “Question of the Day 5-23” thread. But for now lets start with the RPvP Guild War discussion.

As many of you may remember we did give this a shot back on the Tales website, and there were a few problems but I think it’s worth taking another look at. The problems last time were a result of a story arc that was using this mechanic and resulted in a kind of PvP loop that seemed to have no end, and a lack of communication. I think the latter being the most important of the two.

Now the real purpose or benefit of having this Guild War mechanic is to help add to your character’s immersion, and to make the interaction with other characters more realistic. It can add a sense of “fear” as it were to the environment that is often times missing in my opinion. What I purpose is that any guild that would like to participate “register” here but providing their tag and guild name so that the other participating guilds can add them to the guild war.

What this will do is make anyone in the participating groups attackable (as long as you’re not grouped with the person). How does this add to RP? Well now if MERCS is following up on one of the bounties placed by Shensen they don’t have send a “duel” request to Hashum blowing their cover. Instead if they know it’s me (which many of them would having worked with them) they could open fire on sight. This forces me to take extra care when traveling, it adds an element that has been missing in the past.

To the same effect now if an Imperial wants to put his foot down, he can by opening fire on a citizen that refuses to cooperate with their instructions. This also lets Rebels use the same “covert” tactics a BH might use, if they see a Stormtrooper walking the city streets they can take a shot or two at him before taking cover behind the buildings and no one would be the wiser.

In the end it adds an element of danger and suspense to everything. When you step off the shuttle in Nocturnous (a pirate town) you should see red dots all over your radar, after all, a pirate could turn their back on you at any moment. You should be a little worried about who you might bump into when you step off that shuttle.

Now of course this thread can also serve as the centralized location for communication. If someone blows you away while you’re loading let us know here. If these things continue to happen we can remove the offending guild if necessary, but someone just may have thought they saw you move, and a simple I was still loading will stop the feelings of anger from festering and turning into a huge issue and causing any unnecessary drama.

Now would anyone like to add any thoughts or their suggestions on what they’d like, or concerns they may see? Maybe we can address those first. But if everyone seems to feel comfortable please say so and let me know if you’d like to participate by adding your guild information here. I’d say maybe we discuss this for the next couple of days and hopefully by tomorrow or Saturday night enough people will feel comfortable enough that we can start it for some events this weekend.

Dew · Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 7:43 pm Post subject:

Ya I think the key to making this work is gonna be communication. Also knowing who you can interact with on this level, and who you cant. If someone already has a problem with you, killing them in game isn't going to get anyone anywhere. Dredging up Tales problems, or other issues whille cuase this whole idea to flop, so just be smart about it andit should work out fine.

If there is a problem, then state it here and maybe everyone can help work it out, but be open minded. If your walking thru town in Rebel armor, an imperial may take some shots at you. That said, if your the imperial taking shots at that rebel, dont be suprised if a neutral or friend of that person takes their side and helps them out. Nocturnus is a dangerous place... pirates are mean... lets see if we can get that feeling smile

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Shensenn · Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 8:43 pm Post subject:

As most of you probably know already, I'm completely down for this as is RD...just waiting to hear some guild names willing to give it a shot.
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Jehwu · Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 11:39 pm Post subject:

Umm what happend to the other posts that were here?

Dew · Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 11:49 pm Post subject:

Sai'nu · Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 8:35 am Post subject:

Put the poll up in Temple and voted yes in -One-.

I think really since our last mishaps with RPvP we've really only got to stress two things (I think only two things):

1. Communication.

2. Leaving the sucker on despite mishaps.

I'm for it.
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Dew · Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 9:07 am Post subject:

Ya if any problems we really need to talk them out, we can make this work if we all try to.
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Hashum · Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 10:47 pm Post subject:

I've polled the Jedi and they all seem willing to participate in this so One Force (-ONE-) will add anyone else that decides to join.

Isleh · Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 3:07 am Post subject:

Do you want to try something else?

My thoughts.

During the Replicant war, each side had a premade macro.

Real people side had:
/duel e-bo;
/duel ekade;
/duel ....

Replicant side had:
/duel isleh-lin;
/duel weyune;
/duel ...

That performed the same function as the guild war. Before we all fought, everyone ran it.

I also remember getting my BARC blown up one day at the Roba because someone was trying to call a droid and we were in a guild war.

As a constatnt state, the guild war lost something when I saw red dot's approaching when it was on all the time as well.

So, for a weekend event Yeah. All the time? Na. It's not that I have anything against it, I just see each side spending a little effort and preping a duel macro having the benfits of the guild war while making PvP Voluntary on a per person basis.

Like I said, just my thoughts.

Shensenn · Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 4:52 am Post subject:

This is where we differ. Running a duel macro before a fight indicates one or both sides know there will be one - which detracts from the RP in the "RPvP". If a rebel terror cell wants to ambush Dew and his merry men then I want them ambushed...scrambling to figure out what's going on - where the shot(s) came from, frantically trying to use buffs that were buried in their inventory list and not on the toolbar. THAT to me is an ambush - not "Oh look, I just got a bunch of duel requests...I guess we're getting ambushed. *snicker*"

Anyhoo, glad -ONE- is throwing their hats in. We'll git r dun
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Isleh · Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 8:19 pm Post subject:

Griven · Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 8:34 pm Post subject:

I think a guildwar adds a bit of realism to the situation. If you're going to be shot at, you're going to be shot at, no questions asked. The attacker isn't going to ask "Can I please shoot at you? Duel me" (yes, that's an exageration).

A macro, in my opinion, would detract from the immersion of the situation by needing to prepare for the battle and plan it ahead of time. "Okay, we'll meet here in the middle of the city, and then we'll duel everyone with our macro." Not a bad idea per'se, but just immersion breaking.

Which is why I wish we had a PvP server. Or just a PvP enabled environment. But that's a different story.
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Isleh · Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 9:19 pm Post subject:

Isleh · Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 9:31 pm Post subject:

You could even add the phrase "challenges you to a duel" and have it colored and have it color the system message.

I do it with tracking droids.

The phrase that contains "located you target" gets highlighted in green
The phrase that contains "lost your target" get's hilighted in red.

If I see green system messages, I know my droid is still tracking.

if I see a red system message, I know another seeker needs to be launched.

Isleh · Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 10:11 pm Post subject:

The key differance in the Idea I'm presenting here is that you do not wait for everyone to duel up.

Everyone basically has one button to push and how quickly they press it will directly reflect their readiness.